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Top 10 Car Dealer Scams© 2006 1) The Financing Fell Through Scam (Spot Delivery Scam) |
Scam #1: The Financing Fell Through Scam (Spot Delivery Scam)How the scam works: This is the oldest trick in the scam book, increasing in 2005. Lots of people complain about to us about this scam. You buy a new car, the "LieNance" manager says you got a low APR, hands you the keys, and you drive home. (Not all finance managers are LieNance managers, just the ones who lie, so salespeople stop whining to me about this name I made up for the few bad apples). Two weeks and 500 miles later, the dealer calls you saying "Sorry, you didn't qualify for that low interest". This is where "subject to financing" clauses on contracts bite you in the butt. Everyone thinks that you sign papers it's a done deal. The dealer knew exactly what you qualified for before you signed, unless you lied about your income. They knew your credit score. If it's above 680, you'll get a low APR. If it's below 680, expect a higher APR. Your credit union will print your credit history and approve you in 10 minutes. I got approved instantly online. So why the problems with the dealer's Retail Installment Sales Contract? There usually is no problem, it's a scam. There is a phrase on most sales contracts stating "subject to loan approval". This Jedi mind trick means: "The deal is not final, even though you signed this contract." They'll tell you that you must produce an additional $1000 AND your payments would go up. They pull this scam on people with bad credit, because it's believable. They get the least resistance from this crowd, and figure you'll just pay up somehow. How to avoid the scam: DON'T FINANCE AT THE DEALER if you have bad credit. Line up your own financing and compare to dealer's financing. Read our chapter on How to finance your car or use online car financing or your credit union instead. By using your own financing, you won't endure monthly payment scams, and the deal will be based on the selling price of the car, not monthly payments. If they start negotiating the car by monthly payment, it's time to leave. If they keep trying to shift your APR up or down depending on whether you buy a warranty or VIN etching, it's time to leave. But if you do finance through a car dealer, leave a deposit on your credit card, and do not take delivery of the car until the loan has been approved in writing a few days later. Then you know the lender has approved your loan. The dealer hands you the keys and say it's all right to drive off right now with the car, but don't do it. For buyers who lease, dealers sometimes call you a week later and claim they "made a mistake and you need to come back and sign a new contract." WRONG. Your lease is a contract, and the dealer cannot make you undo a contract. Just think, if you tried to get out of a lease, they would come after you in court right? What to do if this scam happens to you: If you you got a good price on the car, your best solution is to preserve your deal so get your own instant financing online. If you have a credit score over 650, go online right now to Up2Drive and apply online, and get approved within the hour. They will FedEx you a check the next day, you'll take it to the dealer to pay for your car, now you have a car loan, no "financing fell through!" If your score is below 650, then apply through AutoCreditFinders instead. If the dealer refuses your online check, you should try to get out of that deal. File a complaint with the Better Business Bureau at BBB.com, and file a complaint through your state's Attorney General Web site. They are all aware of Spot Delivery Scams. |
Scam #4: The "Lie To The Customer About Their Credit Score" ScamHow the scam works: This is one of my favorite Jedi Mind Tricks. The Lie-nance manager (not all finance managers are Lie-nance managers, most are nice guys) lies to you about your credit score, telling you it was really low, so you now have to pay a much higher car loan interest rate than you thought. This scam is pulled on people with good credit too, as it works well because most people do not know their own credit score. It's funny, most people know their own cholesterol levels, but they don't know their credit score. One buyer told us his score was 780 (Excellent) from 3 credit bureaus. At the car dealer four finance people came out after reviewing his loan application with "concerned looks" and a paper that said "credit score" on it with the number 580 circled in red. They stated they could only get him financed at 10.9% APR, not the special 0% interest rate. He pulled out his own credit score with 780 and asked why the dealer was different from his Equifax credit report. Three sales guys scattered, the last guy lied, saying that "credit agencies display better credit scores to consumers than to businesses". Our friend bought his car elsewhere with the low 0% advertised APR. How To Avoid The Scam: No salesperson should know more about your credit history than you. If they pull this scam, pull out your credit score and put a stop to it. This is why we stress that you should have your financing 100% lined up before you buy your new car, never as an afterthought in the business office. Give them a chance to beat your car loan quote. If they pull any funny business, pay with your bank draft from your lined up car lender, or just leave. Read our chapter on Auto Loans Tips & Scams for tips on getting your credit score and online car loans. |
Scam #5: The "Your Online Lender Bounces Checks" ScamHow the scam works: The dealer sees your bank draft from a credit union, or online car finance sites such as Up2Drive or AutoCreditFinders. Not wanting to lose the extra gravy of selling you the car dealer's RISC financing, they refuse your bank draft, lying to you that "online lenders bounce checks." They will say "their checks always bounce, so we don't take them". But gee, the dealer is willing to provide you financing, at higher APR. So they may also tell you "well, they take too long to pay us". Some salespeople stop at nothing. If your lender was bouncing checks, we'd hear about it via federal investigations. I get daily emails from people who financed with Up2Drive with no problem. I used an online lender to finance my new 2004 Lexus GX470 SUV. Lexus had no problems accepting my check. My friend financed 2 used cars with online lenders. There's nothing wrong with dealer financing if they can beat your best APR. If not, use your online financing. Unless you qualify for a manufacturer's 2.9% financing, online banks will beat the local banks used by dealers most of the time, and online lenders often beat credit union rates. If a dealer spews out this scam and refuses your online financing, you the customer need to retain control and refuse to buy from that unethical and slanderous dealer. There are plenty of ethical dealers who eagerly accept online loans without the lies. How To Avoid The Scam: Tell the finance manager you're onto their scam, online lenders have been in business for years and fund loans without bouncing checks. Then get up to leave. You should also file a complaint with your state Attorney General's Office, because we need to make this scam illegal for dealers who force you into higher APR financing. I get emails on this scam often, and if the state attorneys do not know this is going on, they can't help us consumers. The federal government should wrap this into the Truth In Lending Act. Here's our link to all 50 Attorney General's Offices. |
Scam #6: The "Forced Warranty" ScamHow the scam works: An old one that's still in use. You're ready to sign papers when the LieNance manager says you MUST buy a $2000 extended warranty "because the bank requires it, or you won't get the loan". Let's analyze the stupidity factor. The lender is worried about your ability to pay back a $25,000 car loan, so they want you to add another $2000 to the loan to qualify? Please! Many suckers fall for this and the credit life scam. Some dealers who quote monthly payments don't even tell you that you're buying a warranty. We get complaints that they tell you "it's included" to make it sound like it's free. The warranty is included, but you're paying for it. It's amazing how many people tell me they did not see it on the paperwork until they got home! I guess during the 20 minute drive from the car dealer to their house is when they mastered reading. If I live to be 100 I'll never figure out why they don't look before they sign. People will spend more time analyzing a $2.00 watermelon in the grocery store than contracts for a $20,000 car! This scam often accompanies the Spot Delivery Scam. Some finance managers start playing games with the APR if you buy the extended warranty, some claim the APR goes up if you don't buy the warranty. Since when does the interest rate have anything to do with a stupid warranty? They lie to you about this because they know that you know nothing about it. The only thing that determines the APR you will pay is your very own personal FICO credit score. Nothing else whatsoever, not the cost of the car, not buying a warranty. How to avoid the scam: Have them to put it in writing that the warranty "is required to be approved for your loan", so you can show it to your State Attorney, and the Better Business Bureau. Watch how quick they back off. Read our Tips For Getting A Good Car Loan and avoiding scams. Also read our Extended Warranty Scams & Buying Tips. This scam works on people with bad credit and they also "require" you to buy credit life insurance, or "your APR will go up". One of our visitors sent us her Ford paperwork with extended warranty, credit life, and disability for $3385! Do they want to sell you a car or insurance? If they refuse to remove the extended warranty, remove yourself from that devilship immediately. (Oops, I meant to say dealership). Many dealers sell you mechanical breakdown warranties, which are lame compared to some of the wear and tear warranties offered online. Also, dealers typically charge $500-$700 for Gap Insurance, which you can get online directly from companies like Gapinsurancequotes.com for half the price that car dealers sell it for. So if the dealer tells you the bank requires gap insurance, tell them you will go get it yourself. Most states have laws giving you a Warranty refund in 30 days if you have not used it. Another way to avoid the scam: DON'T FINANCE AT THE DEALER if you have bad credit. Finance your car online or at a credit union. Now they can't force you to buy a warranty, you eliminated their excuse to force a warranty down your throat. Credit unions and online lenders don't force a warranty or credit life on you, so why would a car dealer? Why does APR go up if you don't buy the dealer's warranty? Cash flow shell games folks, remove their shells, and no more games. |
Don't fall into the gap!
If you owe more on your car than it is worth, if you lease, or if you put down less than 20%, you should get Gap Coverage from your insurance agent. Most people
refer to it commonly as gap insurance". Dealers charge double what you can get it for, they charge $500-$700 when you can get it online directly from the source for
less than 1/2 the car dealers price, check out
Gap Insurance online. If you owe
$20,000 on your car, but it's only worth $16,000, you're upside down. You total the car, or it's stolen, your insurance company gives you $16,000. You must still
come up with $4000 to pay off the bank, plus your $500 deductible! Gap coverage protects you against this. The better ones cover up to $500 of your deductible.
Scam #8: "We'll Payoff Your Loan OR Lease No Matter How Much You Still Owe!"How the scam works: These are common ads on the radio and newspaper all the time. They rely on your brain to trick you, as if the obligations of your current lease or loan just magically vanish. You can't just dump a lease, it's a contract. By breaking the contract, penalties are stiff, in the thousands. They do get you out of your current lease, but these payoff penalties must be paid to your leasing company to end the contract. The dealer is not doing any favors at all for you, they just want your trade in so they can give you far below market value for it, while selling you a new car at a high profit. Then they resell your trade in for a high price, while you are stuck paying off the debt load of 2 cars. With this scam, if you are upside down on your car loan and you still owe $10,000 for it, the dealer pays off your loan, then you owe that $10,000 to the dealer. This gets financed along with the $15,000 car you are buying, now you are financing 2 cars for $25,000! Did you know that? Your payments are spread out over 60 or 72 months so you don't notice what just happened. The more months they add to the loan, the lower the payments so you don't notice. In fact, it's possible that the payments could be less than your current loan, so you think you're saving money when you just got shafted! Their ad made you think that trading in a car relieves you of your obligation to that car. It does not! This gets many, many, many people deeper into financial trouble. You are actually taking on double your current debt, when you thought you were dropping one debt for another and buying a new car. They misled you in their ad. Sure they did get you out of the lease or loan, but you are not really out of it. They dipped you out of it and then dipped you right back into it under their umbrella of debt. Very clever trick, but now you're onto them. Next time you hear those ads, you'll know what they're up to. Here's how ads would be worded if they were truthful: "We'll Get You Out Of Your Current Lease, then we'll roll what you still owe plus penalties into your new purchase, so you can payoff 2 cars!" How to avoid the scam: If you are in a lease now, it's best to stay in it until the end. Ride it out baby, you slaughtered the cow, now you have to eat it. If you are upside down on a loan, now is not the time to trade in the car. You need to wait until the car is worth more than what you still owe on it. Try selling it privately. By mixing a trade-in with a new car purchase, you will lose the maximum amount of money possible. Don't ever think you walked away ahead on a trade in. No one ever has. No one ever will. If you really need to get our of your lease, shift your strategy from terminating a lease early to a strategy of transferring your lease to another buyer via an auto lease trade. Use sites like Swapalease.com and LeaseTrader.com to transfer your car lease. |
Scam #9: The Previously Wrecked Used Car, Sold "As Is" Scam.How the scam works: The dealer tries to sell you a car that has previously been wrecked, only they tell you it's in great shape, or lie about the wreck, or in some cases, they were honestly unaware the car was wrecked. The car has the federally required Buyers Guide sticker with the words "As Is, No Warranty" on it, which means you are buying this used car and assuming all risks, and cannot return the car, because you agreed to all accept any damages that accompany your "As Is, No Warranty". We sometimes hear from burnt car buyers who were not given this guide as required by Federal law. Even "Certified Used Cars" can be previous wrecks, as we were surprised to find once after running the VIN on a certified used Lexus. We get emails all the time from people who believe the dealer when they are told the car was never wrecked, then they find out a few weeks later when they bring it in for service, or they run an AutoCheck Vehicle History Report showing that it was wrecked. When the scammed customers confront the dealer, they are reminded that they signed an "AS IS" paper, and have no recourse, because they can't prove anything. The As Is paper is the best alibi the dealer has to fall back on. You however, have nothing to fall back on. How to avoid the scam: Never ever buy a used car from a dealer "AS IS" with no warranty. When you buy a used car from a private person you have no choice, it's "As Is". But from car dealers, try to get at least a 30 day warranty. If the car really is the cream puff they make it out to be, let them back that up with a 3 month warranty, otherwise they are just blowing smoke. You should always run an AutoCheck report on any used car before you buy, and get it inspected by a mechanic. That's how we found that a Lexus dealer's Certified Used Lexus had been in a wreck. Always have a mechanic put the car on a lift BEFORE you buy. They can tell you in 30 seconds if the car was wrecked. Many people fail to perform these crucial 2 steps. If you don't do these steps, then DO NOT buy that car. |
Scam #10: The Fake Vehicle Escrow Service ScamHow the scam works: This is actually not a car dealer scam, but it is a huge epidemic. I have been FIGHTING THIS FRAUD FOR YEARS, and it's a growing eBay scam too, so it warrants inclusion in our list. Sometimes the scammers steal images from a car dealer and pose online as the car dealer. But mostly, these internet scams appear online as the seller of a used car. They place ads on Yahoo Motors, AutoTrader, Craigs List, eBay Auctions, eBay Motors, every known vehicle and motorcycle classifieds site on the internet has been hit. The scam begins with you buying a used car (or other product) online and you see a hot BMW or Mini Cooper, or Camry, or Mercedes, or Harley Davidson whose selling price is much lower than other listings for the same item. So you ask the seller a question. The seller replies with a "Dear Sir" form letter, rarely do they mention your name, it's all scripted. It usually has poor grammar and spelling too, and the seller claims to be in Europe and cannot keep the car. Via email, they have you outside the eBay safe harbor, or whatever site you are using. He wants you to use a particular 3rd party escrow site, "he's used them many times already." Unknown to you, he just created that fake escrow site only a few days ago and he's lying. He is offering to pay shipping for the car! Do you know how much shipping is on a car across the U.S.? It's usually about $900. That's a big Red Flag. The "seller" has setup that fake escrow web site that looks better than most bank web sites and is about to steal your money. They convince you to register on the "escrow" site, and you get payment instructions to Western Union or MoneyGram the funds to the escrow company, then you never see your money again. No undo on the Western Union either, once your cash is wired, they can pick it up anywhere in the world in minutes, usually in UK, Spain, Romania, Russia, Netherlands, Europe. There are many twists to this scam, they often trick you by telling you they are signed up for escrow with Yahoo Motors, or eBay or Square Trade, none of which in reality do escrow or collect money for cars. You then receive official looking spoof phishing emails that appear to be from Yahoo, Square Trade, eBay, etc., with instructions on how to pay their "payment agents" via Western Union. The scams have the same goal, to trick you into thinking you are sending thousands of dollars to a trusted escrow company. This scam is so prevalent that from 2003 to 2004, I personally shut down over 600 fake escrow web sites through working with web hosting companies, police, eBay, and victims themselves. These sites pop up at the rate of at least a dozen per day, with thousands of scam listings and auctions running all over the internet at any time. Now that you know what to look for, they are easy to spot. How to avoid the scam: NEVER EVER use cash wiring services such as Western Union, MoneyGram, E-gold, etc, to pay for purchases online. They are all dangerously unsecured networks. Don't use any escrow other than Escrow.com, recommended by eBay, and don't ever believe even the most realistic looking emails sent to you, as legit institutions would never send you sensitive payment instructions, you would login to get instructions. Never use the site recommended by the seller. There is a whole checklist of things to look for so read our Investigative Report: Consumer Guide To Avoiding eBay Fraud, Escrow Internet Fraud, Check Fraud, Auto Fraud, and Nigerian Scams. |
Don't forget used car scams too!
In our chapter How to buy used cars and avoid scams we tell you about buying
used cars and scams to avoid. In a nutshell, here are our top used car buying tips. By doing just these 4 things, you can eliminate most
issues associated with buying used cars.
Our Top 4 Tricks to Prevent Used Car Scams1) Have a mechanic put the car up on a lift for inspection and to check for accident damage. |
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Bonus Scam: "We lowered your payments! Come back and re-sign!" Bone-Us Scam: Ok, here's one more for the road, we are getting more complaints about this one. About a week after you drive home with your new car, the car dealer calls you up and says "Great news! we were actually able to get you into a better loan with a lower monthly payment and less APR! Just stop by our dealership when you get a minute, and resign the papers to get your lower payment." You go down to the dealer to re-sign the paperwork, and this is where a huge red flag should shoot up for you: You notice that they changed your loan from 48 months to 60 months, or even 72 months. What they did in reality was INCREASE the APR on you not lower it like they lied. Then to mask their crime, they spread out the loan over more months, which lowers the monthly payment, tricking you into thinking you are saving money when you're getting ripped off. Yes there are people out there who believe the dealer and think they are actually paying lower APR. This does not even pass the common sense test either and here is the crucial point: With most lenders, if you increase the number of months in the loan, the APR goes UP, not down, just look at their rate card! Make sure you point that out to them. The salespeople who pull this scam sometimes make buyers re-sign the paperwork and don't give them copies, and the buyer finds out later on the dealer lied about the "reduced APR". How to avoid the scam: If they call you later, say "No thanks, I like my payment the way it is." Tell them to fax or email it to you in writing first to review it for unexpected changes. Better yet don't answer the phone. Want a lower rate? Refinance your car loan, or send extra principle monthly, it has the same effect. |
Get The Credit You Deserve
Going to a dealer without knowing what's on your credit report is about the most stupid thing a human being can do. Before entering a
dealer you must get a copy of your credit report. Many people are scared because they don't know what's on their credit report or
how it will affect their chances for car financing. You also want to make sure that they list your latest salary increase. Dealers know
that almost everyone has a bad mark on their report, and they make good use of it when they find it. You get an erroneous notice from a
credit card or bank saying "we never got your check". You call them up, find out it's their mistake, no problem. But many people are
shocked to find out this error made it onto their credit report! This is why you must get your credit report BEFORE the dealer
does.
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